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Big George Waters

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There's a cat named Greg, he is considered the greatest Stick player of them all, I'm sure you know who he is being that you are from Sticklist....

I believe he is from Virginia... anyhow, I watched something he played at the Jazz fest in Montreux I believe.... and man, what he played was out of this world.

The timing, the rythym... it was all impeccible.

Beyond Belief..............

But there was something missing.......................

*It just seemed too mechanical to me*

I wish I could describe it better but I can't....

Great performance by Greg none the less, don't get me wrong - but truth be told I got bored after 5 minutes of his exercises on the Stick....

 


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That's Greg Howard, yeah he's pretty much a master of the instrument - disgustingly good at tapping, the Stick truly is his voice. That solo he played at the Jazz festival is definitely on my list of things to transcribe and tear apart. Interesting sidenote, he only uses 3 fingers on each hand... crazy, right?

My two absolute favourite Stickists are Rob Martino and Kevin Kieth, I would consider them absolutely essential listening... Bob Culbertson is pretty much better than anyone, and Emmett is an otherworldly force of nature. Rodrigo Serrao is another one, Gene Perry, Don Schiff, Stephen Sink, David Tipton, Steve Adelson -  all totally excellent musicians and worth checking out, if only to see what's possible.

lol I could go on all day.... Any Warr guys I should check out?

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Warr guys ??
Maybe Trey... but I thought his Stick playing was far more adventurous, as to me it seemed Trey was breaking all the rules...
Funny enough, it's some of the Megatar players who resonate with me the most, as some of them can really play with feeling, emotion....

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Mobius Megatar - tuned in Classic Stick Tuning [5ths/4ths]

M.Megatar Toneweaver - tuned in Major 3rds

Warr Phalanx 12 - tuned in 5ths [melody], 4ths [bass]

NS Stick Transparent Green w/Moses graphite neck, tuned in 8-string Guitar Intervals

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I totally play in mono granted through a full range amplification system because I view my own playing as playing a single instrument with a whole lotta strings.
I have my Mobius Megatar Toneweaver set up in major 3rds per its original owner.

I suggest setting the Megatar up to be a single region of major 3rds, as i describe in http://www.tappistry.org/post/show_single_post?pid=1308367604&postcount=13&forum=406209
This will give you very low tappable notes down to G0/G#0.
Chord/scale patterns will then work across the split.
I can help with choosing gauges if you decide to do this.

Personally i'm also more interested in the idea of a single region, partly due to lack of talent.
The approach of using 2 hands together to tap within a single region, this allows more difficult and more unusual chords/lines to be played, and more comfortably.

The idea of bass + guitar, playing 2 instruments with one hand tapping on each, is, dare i say it, a rather old fashioned concept that comes from rock band culture. The Stick understandably became this way due to the decade it was developed and the age of the inventor.

As other tapping instruments appeared, almost all copied the approach, which i think is unfortunate. What i like about the Touch Guitars company is that the first and primary instrument is a single-region full-range 8 string. I would like to see more single-region tappers.

I always heard 'how hard it is to play a Stick', but this is only if you are trying to play independent lines on bass and melody.
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That last part is 100% true.
As for my tuning with the Toneweaver, its Major 3rds as those pictures I posted here before the page went down.

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M.Megatar Toneweaver - tuned in Major 3rds

Warr Phalanx 12 - tuned in 5ths [melody], 4ths [bass]

NS Stick Transparent Green w/Moses graphite neck, tuned in 8-string Guitar Intervals

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"The idea of bass + guitar, playing 2 instruments with one hand tapping on each, is, dare i say it, a rather old fashioned concept that comes from rock band culture. The Stick understandably became this way due to the decade it was developed and the age of the inventor."

Emmett seems ageless - to me he's that wise master who can tell what's up from a simple glance or listen to one's playing. His music reminds me of John Mglaughlin actually, kind of a Mahavishnu explosion...

Old fashioned? Perhaps. I think it's the idea of being able to self accompany, it imparts a certain sort of freedom. For instance, I personally really don't need a bass player or a guitarist really, just a drummer and I am good to go with an instantaneously big sound and a deceptively simple approach. I don't even really need a drummer -as they can be programmed! hahaha 

The difficulty in learning comes in if one tries to rush in with plans that are much too big and ambitious (like I did). The Stick can be as easy or as difficult as one might make it - after all it has the same 12 notes available as every other instrument...

I was always an ensemble player for the most part as a guitarist or bassist, and I really, really wish I had spent a few years on a keyboard before jumping into the Stick...

So anyways, I guess I'm just really trying to say that there's room for every type of player/musician - we all have a role.

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That last paragraph is beautiful, and absolute truth....
Thank you !!!

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Mobius Megatar - tuned in Classic Stick Tuning [5ths/4ths]

M.Megatar Toneweaver - tuned in Major 3rds

Warr Phalanx 12 - tuned in 5ths [melody], 4ths [bass]

NS Stick Transparent Green w/Moses graphite neck, tuned in 8-string Guitar Intervals

digitech, T.C. Electronics, ART, Lexicon, GK, Markbass, EA, Bag End, Guild/Hartke, SWR, EV, Radial, Ampeg, Trace Elliot, Furman

 

 

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Jayessker, what i wrote there was poorly worded and gives the wrong impression, i just now came here to edit it out, too late =) Sorry for my sloppiness.
I read the interesting document that described how the Stick tuning developed and it actually developed from a single region 9 string jazz guitar, it wasn't a particularly bass plus guitar thing.
It's understandable that to amplify it a stereo output into guitar and bass amplifiers makes sense.
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Hey - it's all good! People can write whatever they want (lol Just don't hurt anyone is all I ask), we all are entitled to our opinions and I for one find it interesting to see other perspectives.

We all have different ways of doing things, different objectives, different life experiences, and different interests. 

Learning as we go, right?

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I think Greg Howard was at his best with the Greg Howard Band.  Same for Trey with the Trey Gunn Band - killer drummer and Tony Geballe is a killer guitar player. 
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Joe Mendelsen [son??] can't be denied either, he was really good when a part of the Trey Gunn Band as well....... he added exactly what was missing, and no more.
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Mobius Megatar - tuned in Classic Stick Tuning [5ths/4ths]

M.Megatar Toneweaver - tuned in Major 3rds

Warr Phalanx 12 - tuned in 5ths [melody], 4ths [bass]

NS Stick Transparent Green w/Moses graphite neck, tuned in 8-string Guitar Intervals

digitech, T.C. Electronics, ART, Lexicon, GK, Markbass, EA, Bag End, Guild/Hartke, SWR, EV, Radial, Ampeg, Trace Elliot, Furman

 

 

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So here's a crazy thought or two or three or four or more...  why is it then that these instruments (tapping/touch) are not yet mainstream? Like... not even slightly. I mean, on one hand you have folks doing crazy oddball progressive music (prog, fusion) and one-man-band type new age stuff, and of course lounge muzak (sorry, but that's what it is) and one just has to wonder what it is that attracts people to these types of instruments? And what in their background exactly that drew them towards this path? Is it a need to stand out visually? I mean the technique is something else to watch, and the instrument itself is usually something quite unique - Stick, Warr, Sonorus, Dragonfly, Kelstone, Touchguitar, Harpeji, etc... 

I observe that a lot of people who play the Stick for instance are really intelligent people with a thirst for the unusual, and often times are umm, discontent with the role that a guitar or a bass might play... Myself, I got frustrated playing with people who couldn't really play/show up and basically said "Screw it, I will do this myself" and then down the rabbit hole I go - now I (As a Stickist) am initially the weak link in an ensemble as it takes a bit of planning just to see where the heck my instrument will fit in a band setting. It takes a bit of time, and I have to get to know the other members of the group and hear what it is they are going to do before I can kind of find my stride... As a soloist, well the Stick is great - Even simple things on a Stick are quite challenging for a guitar or a bass to do on it's own.

Half the battle with these instruments is figuring out exactly what it is you want to do with them...





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I think you answered your own question, because they do require a certain level or skill or mindset that is very different than say a bass or guitar, yet they are similar to keyboards, and dare I suggest harp, and to an extent percussion as well....
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           East Derby CT

Mobius Megatar - tuned in Classic Stick Tuning [5ths/4ths]

M.Megatar Toneweaver - tuned in Major 3rds

Warr Phalanx 12 - tuned in 5ths [melody], 4ths [bass]

NS Stick Transparent Green w/Moses graphite neck, tuned in 8-string Guitar Intervals

digitech, T.C. Electronics, ART, Lexicon, GK, Markbass, EA, Bag End, Guild/Hartke, SWR, EV, Radial, Ampeg, Trace Elliot, Furman

 

 

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