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Tim Free

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Hello to all. New to tap, I'm a drummer! Wish me luck. I thought I might record some of my n00b questions and issues in case others benefit from their answers.

Since I'm completely new, I'll run into things you probably all remember.  Like which tunings to choose!  I want to go with all-fourths standard bass bottom tuning for example, but why not try crossed-style too?

For now, I have an OLD (used) Zentapper with crossed-tuning in Fourths.

I ran into problems right away I can't practice because it's out of tune due to normal shipping.  - I cannot tune it because I'm not sure if I'm an active-too-low or not.  If I guess wrong, I fear to break the strings tightening too much.



On the Zentapper, the lowest "bass" note (string 12 on zentappers) should be a "C#" on Fret2.    but is it a C1 or a C2?   If it's C1# That makes it 34.65 Hz which seems awfully low.   Is that correct?   a C2 is more near 70Hz and would be more-audible to the listeners...

I have the owner's guide. but...
My problem is the book has the Fret2 notes (C#, F# listed).... but not the frequency and with most tuners they recognize the chromatic scale in ANY octave so it's quite possible to tune it up quite badly-- one entire octave away.

So here is my thinking can someone help confirm?  It will help me

Bass notes, low to high, Fret2 on the Zentapper ;
Hz column are my GUESSES:
  • C1#  34.65 Hz
  • F1# 46.25 Hz
  • B1  61.74 Hz
  • E2  82.41
  • A2   110 Hz
  • D3   146.8 Hz

once known the frequency in Hertz, then over on On SeventhString dot com I found an online tuner that listens to Frequency in Hz (not just note) this will help me figure out if in fact I'm an entire-octave too low or not.

Thanks for any comments to help!

Problem I'm trying to solve: The 2 thinnest strings seem too floppy and I cannot hear if they are an octave away or not, my ear is good enough but my BRAIN is not.  I can if it's a C or a D, but not the octave.  I can even sing it, but my brain compensates for octaves.    I can just tighten them up an octave but it's risk of snapping strings.

Thus I want to use the app to "hear" the real frequency in Hz just to level-set.


[ EDIT :   on bass-guitar-info dot com I found some references...  and 6-string bass chart with frequencies. So that confirms it for me. ]


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Here's a chart i created to help with stuff like this, it shows 'extended standard tunings' for bass and guitar (ERB and ERG).

Octave number follows the convention of 'Scientific pitch notation'.

Frequency (Hz) / octave / note / ERB / ERG

987.77 5 B
932.33 5 A# Bb
880.00 5 A
830.61 5 G# Ab
783.99 5 G
739.99 5 F# Gb
698.46 5 F
659.26 5 E
622.25 5 D# Eb
587.33 5 D ...................................... D
554.37 5 C# Db
523.25 5 C

493.88 4 B
466.16 4 A# Bb
440.00 4 A ...................................... A
415.30 4 G# Ab ........ Ab
392.00 4 G
369.99 4 F# Gb
349.23 4 F
329.63 4 E ...................................... E
311.13 4 D# Eb ........ Eb
293.66 4 D
277.18 4 C# Db
261.63 4 C

246.94 3 B ...................................... B
233.08 3 A# Bb ........ Bb
220.00 3 A
207.65 3 G# Ab
196.00 3 G ...................................... G
185.00 3 F# Gb
174.61 3 F ................ F
164.81 3 E
155.56 3 D# Eb
146.83 3 D ...................................... D
138.59 3 C# Db
130.81 3 C ................ C

123.47 2 B
116.54 2 A# Bb
110.00 2 A ...................................... A
103.83 2 G# Ab
098.00 2 G ................ G
092.50 2 F# Gb
087.31 2 F
082.41 2 E ...................................... E
077.78 2 D# Eb
073.42 2 D ................ D
069.30 2 C# Db
065.41 2 C

061.74 1 B ...................................... B
058.27 1 A# Bb
055.00 1 A ................ A
051.91 1 G# Ab
049.00 1 G
046.25 1 F# Gb .............................. F#
043.65 1 F
041.20 1 E ................ E
038.89 1 D# Eb
036.71 1 D
034.65 1 C# Db .............................. C#
032.70 1 C

030.87 0 B ................ B
029.14 0 A# Bb
027.50 0 A
025.96 0 G# Ab .............................. G#
024.50 0 G
023.12 0 F# Gb ........ F#
021.83 0 F
020.60 0 E
019.45 0 D# Eb .............................. D#
018.35 0 D
017.32 0 C# Db ........ C#
016.35 0 C

15.43 00 B
14.57 00 A# Bb
13.75 00 A
12.98 00 G# Ab ........ G#
12.25 00 G
11.56 00 F# Gb
10.91 00 F
10.30 00 E
09.72 00 D# Eb ........ D#
09.18 00 D
08.66 00 C# Db
08.18 00 C
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> On the Zentapper, the lowest "bass" note (string 12 on zentappers) should be a "C#" on Fret2.    but is it a C1 or a C2?   If it's C1# That makes it 34.65 Hz which seems awfully low.   Is that correct?

C#1 in actual 'scientific pitch notation'.
Note that bass guitar notation is often written an octave up by tradition so sometimes you will see the lowest bass string on a 4 string bass called E2 when it is actually E1.
Best stick to the absolute scientific system to avoid confusion.
Retuning by an octave multiplies or divides tension by 4 so it's usually obvious which octave is the correct one by tuning an octave down and seeing if it's unplayably loose with flabby undefined bad tone.
Tapper strings do feel loose compared to guitar or bass, they need to be loose to be tappable.
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