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I've recently become entranced with the delicate Argentinian music of Gustavo Santaolalla and begun trying to transcribe it for my Warr guitar. It is transcribed best when thinking of simple and complex arpeggios for the left (bass) hand and simple melody lines for the right hand. It actually works out quite well and sounds very interesting.

I haven't got any of these explorations ready to share on Warr just yet.

But, here is Pajaros by Santaolalla played on his own instrument called a ronroco:



When working these songs out for a touchstyle instrument,  they are best played up high on the fretboard. It's quite a challenging task, especially if you are playing crossed hands. Here is a clear case where playing uncrossed gives one a better overall use of the fretboard.

I wonder how this kind of music would work (and sound) if played on a Chapman SG-12?

There are dozens of other good pieces by Santaolalla on YouTube:

Santaolalla - Alma

Santaolalla - De Ushuaia 

I'm trying to work out some notation and Tablature documentation for the rather simple tunes I'm exploring. If these work out, I'll share them here.

Don



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His music is beautiful and moving. When I first listened to this video I thought he was playing a cittern but was surprised to learn of the ronroco he is playing. I have watched all of Bob Culbertson's videos and I'm convinced anything can be transferred to a Stick and sound awesome. It would be great if to hear some of your work on Gustavo's music.
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I have watched all of Bob Culbertson's videos and I'm convinced anything can be transferred to a Stick and sound awesome.


I have also listened to how Culbertson has managed to give voice to all forms of world music. Absolute brilliance! But, I definitely lack his genius and so have to struggle very hard to make other forms of music sound comfortable and natural on tapping instruments. At the moment, my Santaolalla arrangements are very bland, with simple arpeggios in the left hand (bass) and simple melodic lines in the right (treble). Although this "simulates" Santaolalla, it doesn't evoke the lush and full sounds of his original instrumentation (note - Santaolalla plays the ronroco, a baritone charango).

So, the project at hand here is to translate as closely as possible, the sound of the Argentinian Ronroco, to the Warr Guitar.

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My big struggle with Santaolalla's music, is in figuring out the way he forms arpeggios on the strings of the ronroco. I think that if I could just replicate the patterns in which strings are plucked, I would be successful in working through this project. The ronroco has the strings and tuning configured in a strangely different way from the guitar, so trying to look at YouTube videos of ronroco player's fingers in operation is confusing. I've thought about purchasing a ronroco and then learning the fingerpicking style used in the songs, and then arranging this knowledge for my tapping instruments. Getting a ronroco is difficult, although there is one presently for sale on eBay (note - the ronoco pictured above is the one for sale on eBay, the Warr guitar pictured above is my own instrument).

I've become a little obsessed with this right now. I want to get a ronroco and learn the fingerpicking style Santaolalla uses (on the original instrument). Getting a ronroco is difficult, so I thought of a solution for this. I do have a Mexican vihuela in my studio that I haven't used for years. The ronroco has 5 courses of strings. The vihuela has five strings. So, if I could restring the vihuella with gauges that matched the ronroco, and then tune the vihuela correctly, I have a chance to try and replicate some of the string rhythms used by Santaolalla!

I am going to call this hybrid union of ronroco and vihuela, the ronuella.

I'm a fairly skilled string fingerstylist, so the learning process here is not daunting. I have figured out how to restring and retune the vihuela and have purchased new strings. My next step is to actually do this, and then work through learning a song on this "ronuella" (probably Pajaros). Once I really know how the ronoco can generate the string rhythms it does, I feel I'll be in a better position to upgrade my current bland "tapping" transcriptions into something more true to the original.

Stay tuned.

Don


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Sounds like fun, hope you get the sound nailed down. I love all kinds of world music and especially listening to a skilled musician like Gustavo. Currently I'm into bouzouki and cittern music. I built an Irish Bouzouki and love playing it, at the moment I have it tuned ADAD so it has a cittern sound to it. To me the ronroco has a similar sound to a short scale cittern. I have all the materials to build a 5 course cittern, I'll start on it once I get a couple other projects out of the way. I look forward to hearing how the ronuella turns out!

Your Warr Guitar is a beautiful instrument!

Jeff

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