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HylerTouchstyle
16th June 2009, 11.30 am
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Online Store: http://www.HylerTouchstyle.com/Order

Inside The Shop:
Quality Hardwoods; Flame Maple, Cocobolo, Bocote, Brazilian Rosewood, Red Oak, and Walnut.
Handmade Instruments; Cutting, Routing, Drilling, etc. is all machined, but never leaves human hands during the process (does not apply to metal parts and other guitar hardware :) holding that while being machined could be very dangerous....)

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History and Introduction: http://tappistry.org/forum/showthread.php?p=13519#post13519


We've been a private San Diego shop for going on 4 years now, mostly dealing in building exotic guitars, but have done a bit of restoration work as well. Most recently, over the past two years, we've done custom work on Chapman and Stu Box instruments (only one of each to be honest, but enough to introduce us to the inner workings of touchstyle instruments). Since then we've been a strong supporter of TouchStyle instruments, but absolutely jawdropped by their prices. While working on the guitars, we saw no signs of why they should cost so much. Woods are not too exotic, construction is very solid but not too extensive looking (time-wise), and the same type of hardware (headless and multi-string)can be machined in our CNC and Manual Mills for very low cost from aluminum and brass.

With that we launched several lines of Touchstyle instruments (well only 2 different types are continued being produced at this moment, but there's more styles floating around from our early prototypes). We also have an electric upright bass which we are currently putting finishing touches on, they will be exhibited over the next month and available to the public after that.

Our main goal is to either lower the entire price range of touchstyle instruments across the board in a hope to bring these instruments to the mainstream, or at the very least (and more likely) provide affordable alternatives with the same quality hardware and equal or better wood (usually better, as we love exotic woods and have a great affordable source for them when we buy in bulk). Years ago, the first time we saw a touchstyle instrument, our customer told us they saved up for 2 years to afford it, at first we thought this was just a top of the line model, but were shocked to hear there were no realistic/common alternatives in terms of affordable touchstyle instruments.

So, almost 4 years later, here we are. There's always a catch of course, because of our prices we do have a tiny waitlist, but regardless we always build more than we get in orders as 90% of our time is spent setting up machines and only 10% shaping wood and machining metal, so we can easily put out more if we make multiple instruments simultaneously. So if you're in a hurry, send us a message on myspace ( http://www.myspace.com/hyler ) and we can do rush orders at no extra charge. We always try and start production on the first and third weeks of every month (takes about 2 weeks from start to finish on any given instrument, usually about 4 instruments per cycle). We've handled most orders in person locally as that's where our advertisements are based, but have recently started branching out over the internet and so far have had two customers overseas and several more in the states outside of CA, so feel free to let us know if there's any way we can improve our distance customer service


Hyler Touchstyle Hardware soon to be available seperately!Great for luthiers and personal builders

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We know that trying to fit two bridges together causes gaps in the center of your instrument, and individual string bridges cost more than most can handle. We will be offering a variety of touchstyle bridges from 8 to 12+ strings, single piece fanned fret accomadating bridges, narrow width bridges, and headless bridges with tuning blocks and floating saddles option for all of the above.


Pricing
Instruments start at just $499 for available stock guitars, $699 for basses. Custom orders usually carry no extra charge inherently, but more expensive woods, extra hardware machining, etc. can increase the cost substantially depending on what is requested. For example, a custom built to order short scale instrument made out of ash with a non figured maple fretboard and piezo pickup system would cost $499, no more than a premade instrument by us, however a extended scale instrument made out of wenge with an exotic highly figured top and/or fingerboard with magnetic pickup system and headless option would cost hundreds more.

Also Available: Excalibur Electric Upright Basses! The cost of low end mass production basses with the exotic woods and craftsmanship of high end custom works.
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rjgoos
16th June 2009, 12.59 pm
Thanks for the information, and best wishes for success!

I had a question about one thing. On the current eBay auction of a Hyler Model II, there is this picture:


http://rjaysplace.com/pictures/hyler.jpg


How is the instrument "attached" to the musician? I don't see a belt hook, or strap buttons.

Thanks again.



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GaryOpenhill
16th June 2009, 1.32 pm
The shortscale wide bass, now THATS a beast.
Would be great to see a youtube video of those instruments in action!

HylerTouchstyle
16th June 2009, 9.56 pm
How is the instrument "attached" to the musician? I don't see a belt hook

Hi there, our instruments can be completed as either virgin, with no holes for belt hooks or straplocks, so the customer can purchase their choice of "holding mechanism" at their local music store and attach it to their personal perferences. Or you can simply tell us your preferred location of strap buttons/locks and we will install them at no extra cost.

The reason for this being, we have had requests for the upper strap button on the headstock, top of the neck, below the neck, center of the back, and probably a few others that I'm forgetting at the moment, so we only install strap buttons when they are custom ordered instruments and the customer knows where they want the strap. However, all pre-made non-custom order instruments will be made with virgin backs, undrilled, so the customer doesn't have to move the strap location to their preference and have a bunch of drilled holes in the instrument from where they used to be.



The shortscale wide bass, now THATS a beast.
Would be great to see a youtube video of those instruments in action!

It's definitely strange to play at first (or at least it was to me) but once you get used to it you can really open up on it because of the string spacing. We are definitely working on some video promotion for the web. Technically that falls under my job description now, but we've got a couple people in the shop who are interested in putting some pieces together for a YouTube type site. Keep checking back! =)

lactose
1st July 2009, 4.35 pm
Those are some interesting instruments. I will also be interested in your bridges. Regarding the gap between bridges, I prefer a little gap between the melody and bass side.

GaryOpenhill
1st July 2009, 8.04 pm
Those are some interesting instruments. I will also be interested in your bridges. Regarding the gap between bridges, I prefer a little gap between the melody and bass side.

Yeah, hyler, what are the specs for your tappers regarding to stringspacing? I need space!

HylerTouchstyle
1st July 2009, 9.28 pm
All specs will be available once our site is up and running, however until then, I see no harm in posting string spacing specs =) I've already disclosed it to several people in private messages who were interested in instruments anyways

Widebody bridges = 10.5mm

Standard bridges = 11/32"

Narrow bridges = 5/16"

All our touchstyle hardware is made by us, with the exceptions of; our widebody bridge floats Strat saddles under the strings, and our narrowbody bridge uses 2 floyd rose nuts below the saddles for accurate string spacing, and again at the nut for both string spacing as well as the option to lock pairs of strings.

lactose
8th July 2009, 4.50 pm
Is the Wide Body Alto bass headless ?

HylerTouchstyle
12th July 2009, 3.26 am
Yes and No, we've offered it headless and 'headed', but everytime we've gotten an order for it, it's always been headless, so we've never actually made one that has a head and tuners on it. That is a little surprising considering the priciest thing we offer is our headless hardware ($200 extra, as it takes us a lot of effort and money to machine the thick and many pieces), so I guess people really like headless instruments these days.

Pycraft
23rd July 2009, 9.41 am
Hi Hyler,

Your instruments look really nice,and I'm fascinated.

I've noticed you offer an 8-string Model 2 on your website - is that stereo? Also, am I correct in thinking the pickups are piezo rather than magnetic?

Do the "long scale" prices apply to both 34in and 35in models?

How easy would it be to glue on basic body "wings" for those who find the Warr a more attractive and well-balanced instrument than the Stick? (something like the outline of the Dean Cadillac would be nigh-on ideal).

HylerTouchstyle
23rd July 2009, 10.23 pm
Hi Pycraft. Thank you for the compliments, we're always keeping an eye out for what we're doing right and wrong.

Yes and no. Our 8 strings are typically ordered as mono, but we offer them in stereo. And they are transducer pickups, but on our order form we offer a magnetic pickup upgrade. The catch is, this will add a "cover" much like a pickgaurd that houses the pickups, on top of the pickups. This is due to the fact that the instrument is non tapered and the same overall width from top to bottom, and magnetic pickups need a minimum of a quarter inch or so extra away from the edge of the last string. Then at least another quarter inch to cover the side of the pickup as well. We try to make it look as "asthetically pleasing" as possible. But there's no real substitute for the way a bodyless non-tapering instrument looks on it's own from what we have seen so far. Transducer pickups help us achieve this, and we don't believe the sound is inherently sub-par either. Hopefully soon we'll have some video clips up showing what the right pre-amp and amplifier combination can do with a well placed piezo.

34" is substantially more cost than their 30" counterparts, 35" is just a bit more than 34. The cheapest however are the guitar models that are available in 25.5" and 22.75". The cost variation is to cover the amount of lumber it takes to achieve the different scales. We've learned the hardway not to vertically laminate lumber, so we make sure to purchase long enough boards and turn them into the right size blanks without having to do that.

I can't answer that last question, mainly because we're already doing it and want the end result to be a bit of a surprise. I'd say between 2-4 weeks before we can have something to show in this area. We're also trying to keep this as low cost as possible. Hopefully around the price of our current bass line for guitars, and under 1k for basses.

Nico A.
18th September 2009, 2.11 pm
I already sent a mail to you with exactly the following questions but didn’t yet receive an answer in several days. Maybe something went wrong. Therefore I’ll try here. :)


I come from Germany. I read in this thread that you already had customers from outside the USA. How much longer would it approximately take till the instrument arrives? What would be the extra costs?

Secondly, you both offer tapping basses and guitars. Could you tell me about the difference – what kind of instrument would you recommend me for playing both bass lines and melody at the same time? To be more precise, how much notes could one play, for example, with a 12-string instrument (what is the lowest and the highest note)?

There is a tapping instrument called Koyabu Board which offers an uncrossed tuning system, so the bass-playing hand is never really interfering with the melody-playing hand. I see an advantage here. Would it be possible for you to also build custom instruments that way?

My last questions is: From what I read about you on the internet I believe you keep experimenting with different kinds of tapping models. Have you thought of building an acoustic version? I’m just curious, that would be awesome.


I would be grateful for some answers. :) Thanks!

HylerTouchstyle
19th September 2009, 11.01 am
Hi there Nico, I've checked back through both my email and the companies email addresses a few times now and can't find any messages that haven't been replied to. Regardless, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.

"...outside the USA. How much longer would it approximately take till the instrument arrives? What would be the extra costs?"

Actually, most of our tapping customers come from outside the US. I have a feeling this has to due to the current economic situation here in the states, regardless though, this should add no more than a week on to the shipping time. Keep in mind, instruments take a few weeks to build, so if you're looking to do a custom order, time should not be too much of an issue. We try to do 2 week build cycles to group similar instruments so we can run them through similar machine processes at the same time to expediate production, but this is not always possible.

"...offer tapping basses and guitars. Could you tell me about the difference – ....recommend me for both bass lines and melody at the same time?"

The difference is the scale length. We typically term our instruments to be: Guitars = 22.75" scale length and 25.5" scale length, while Basses = 30", 34", and 35" scale length. In terms of lowest and highest notes, this all depends on the strings you intend to use with the instruments. When we setup instruments, they usually leave as dual guitars or basses, or guitars+bass setup. Strings will be optimized for their tension, which means tunings will vary on scale length.

"....an uncrossed tuning system.... Would it be possible for you to also build custom instruments that way?"

Absolutely, we have stringed many instruments with bass strings on the 'opposite side" for uncrossed playing and would be happy to do the same to yours.

"...you keep experimenting with different kinds of tapping models. Have you thought of building an acoustic version? I’m just curious, that would be awesome."

We're currently working on a magnetic pickup attachment and a full bodied tapping instrument (which is looking beautifullll by the way, pictures to come asap, routing the internal cavities is slowing us down) so we have not undertaken a traditional acoustic instrument yet. However, almost all of our tappers are equipped with a piezo bridge (for those on a budget, piezo-only instruments are an option) which will give you an acoustic tone if that's the sound you are looking for. However, if you do go this route, I must stress that these are passive transducers you WILL need an external preamp to get a true acoustic tone from these piezo instruments. Can you hear the notes without a preamp? Yes. Will it sound as good as it can without a preamp? NO.

Thanks for your inquiry and let me know if you have any other questions. I just checked my email, sales@hylertouchstyle.com, and all seems to be working. I also just fixed the form on our website so that should be working as a method of contact as well. Thanks again!

Nico A.
22nd September 2009, 5.49 pm
Thanks a lot! :)
Now I can't wait for some of the pictures of your bodied tapping instruments ;)

Concerning all the modifications you offer, I guess I must inform myself about all these things first, because I'm not much into the topic of guitar building yet, the effects of different woods on the sound and such things... :o

I'm not at all in a hurry concerning the time the instrument would be finished, so the question about time is not too important for me. It would be more about my impatience - I never owned a touchstyle instrument but am interested in this topic for 2 years or so - but I believe it's not too bad. ;)
Money is indeed more relevant to me now so I wonder if the additional costs of a bass instrument are really necessary for the first time. I mean, a wide spectrum of notes is always welcome but if I had to choose I'd prefer the lower spectrum since I'm really into rock music in general, with its driving bass lines. For me as a newbie at guitar/bass-hardware (as mentioned above) it's hard to guess what the possibilies of a 12 string guitar and its special scale lengths are. For this reason a video showing your instruments would really be helpful.

I forgot to say, my last question was more about a tapping instrument that is loud enough without having to use an amp - as far as I know there hardly are any. Could be really interesting for making street music :)

Nico A.
25th November 2009, 12.45 pm
What I personally miss a bit about your internet presence is a short video of some of your instruments (or just one) in action. You mention that you're swamped but isn't a video something that can be done quite easily? A sound and video quality which is not perfect would not give a bad picture of you next to all those youtube videos.

HylerTouchstyle
25th November 2009, 4.48 pm
Ask and you shall recieve. Videos and audio clips will be on their way shortly to our website. Most likely we will not be making a YouTube presence as we can only output a certain number of instruments each month, and as we don't want to create a long waiting list for customers, we avoid excessive advertising.

New Developements for November:

-The Altobass: http://tappistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2361 (stay tuned for more info, specs, pricing)
-Left handed instruments: Available for most instruments, simple orientation selection on the webstore.
-Touchstyle Cases:Also available in our webstore now. Long narrow hard cases, foam padded for any long narrow instrument.

Keep checking back for more developements.