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pjmuck
25th March 2009, 9.08 pm
Hello everyone. Newbie here and first time poster ready to take the plunge into the wonderful world of tapping.

I just recently acquired a Warr Artist 10. I've been a bassist/guitarist for over 20 years, and have always been curious about these instruments, so I thought I'd give it a go. I've always done my own instrument setups and intonation, but since I'm new to the Warr it does pose a few questions. I've done a search here and I don't really see too much adviced with regard to proper setup, so I thought I would pose the following:

1. How are the rest of you intonating your instruments? I'm normally accustomed to the open string/12 fret method for my guitars and basses using my Peterson Strobe tuner, but I'm not sure that's the way to go with a tap-style instrument utilizing a damper at the first fret, since open strings are muted. The Strobostomp does seem to get confused when identifying pitch with the Warr too, as it will flutter and never truly lock in. Since I got the instrument used, I discovered that the 12th fret was pretty much flat to the open (though muted) strings across the whole neck, yet on some strings the 24th frets were sharp to the 12th frets (???). So are most of you foregoing the open strings and intonating to the 12th frets, then checking against the 24th frets? I have to believe that even a slight damper under the strings could make strings go a bit sharper closer to the nut.

2. The instrument is stereo with 2 output jacks (one side treble, one side bass). How are most of you who own stereo instruments generally setting up your live rigs to accomodate both, and specifically how are you checking your tuning on both sides of the instrument? Are you using two tuners?

3. Regarding action, how high/low are you setting it up? Should all fret buzz or fret out be eliminated completely when unplugged regardless of whether or not it's amplified when plugged in?

4. Different tunings: I read a lot about different tunings. How are most of you managing to experiment with different tunings or string arrangements without resulting in major setup revisions (i.e. new nuts, swapping pickups, etc). Obviously some arrangements would be easier to accomplish than others (tuning in 4ths from 5ths or visa versa vs. non inverted tunings), but being new to this I really don't know what will ultimately work for me yet and I certainly don't want to go the trouble of new nut/pickup expenses only to find it's not what I ultimately want. Right now, the instrument's set up in a standard 5+5 with inverted bass 5ths. I retuned the bass side to inverted 4ths instead, but strings are a bit too flabby now. So have some of you compensated when doing such a revision by going with different string gauges to achieve the proper feel/tension you need, or did you just raise the saddles? (Not my idea of a perfect solution).

5. Speaking of strings, where are you getting yours? Are any of you simply using guitar and bass string sets, or using "true" tapping instrument strings? What kind of lifespan can I expect to get out of them, and when would I know I need new strings?

Okay, that's enough for now. Thanks in advance and I would like to reiterate that I'm glad to be here!

riadsala
26th March 2009, 10.36 am
Hello,

I'd suggest getting in touch with Mark Warr, he's both very friendly and very helpful and can probably give far better advice than I could!

Tom Drinkwater
26th March 2009, 3.13 pm
Getting in touch with the manufacturer is always a good safe bet because each of these builders use different techniques that works well with their instruments.

I think that Jim Wright still sets up all of the new Warr guitars before they go out so I am sure he can help you out.

As far as I know the only way to get the feel of a different tuning is to fully convert your instrument, set up and all to the new tuning and strings. There are alot of guys on this forum who can give you lots of insight and save you the trouble of trying every single tuning.

As far as strings go I am convinced that octave4plus is the way to go. You can go to www.octave4plus.com and email Garry with the scale length and proposed tuning for each string. He has played bass guitar and Stick since the 60's so he isn't just some guy with a string winder. I started using his strings on my 8 string guitars that I make and it was a big improvement over the Ernie Ball strings which was using. Other than octave4plus I would check out the Warr website for strings and get their opinion.

As far as action height goes, I like to set the relief almost flat, maybe .5 mm mm over the 12th fret if I hold the string down at the first playable fret and the last fret. Then I adjust saddles down so the strings just begin to buzz. After that I bring them back up slightly, only enough to eliminate MOST of the buzz. If I can't hear the buzz throught the amp I leave it alone even if I know they are buzzing minutely. This is for the lowest possible action, maybe too low for some.

I have read that the Warr guitars get set up with a slightly higher string height at the nut to aid in volume while playing the low frets but I am not too familiar with Warrs. I read stuff on their site every now and then and drool at the gallery pics.

Welcome to Tappistry, congrats on your new Warr and keep us posted on your tuning quest!!

pjmuck
26th March 2009, 6.31 pm
Many thanks for taking the time to respond, gentleman.

I have spoken to Mark at Warr already prior to acquiring this guitar, since it was en route and I wanted his opinions on what it would take to flip strings and add a midi PUP. he was very approachable and friendly. The guitar is actually a lefty Warr Artist 10 set up for left handed standard tuning with inverted 5ths bass. (Note: I traded for the one listed in the classifieds here). So I initially wanted to look into possibly getting it set up uncrossed for a lefty but he tried to talk me out of it since it would be extremely cost prohibitive. He implied that it would need:

-new bridge plate
-new saddles
-all new electronics, switches and all (different values)
-disassembly
-re-shape butt of body for MIDI plate

He did also suggest I just go the route of having the nut redone only and see what the results would be before going the whole 9 yards. As I fiddle around on it, I'm now about 75% confident that a standard righty configuration would work best for me and also allow for minimal reconstruction (perhaps just the nut?), but with the instrument flipped over to be played left handed. This means non inverted bass strings played with my right hand (as I normally play bass) and an inverted guitar side played with the left and closest to my body. I do see how it might make it difficult to reach the lowest frets comfortably, however, but visually it makes the most sense for my mind. I'd have to see how the pickups respond to the new string arrangement, as he has implied the pickups are specifically voiced for their respective strings/side (bass or guitar).