World's First Tapping Instrument Cables Survey!

[traktor]

In another thread, the question came up ...

Is it better to have two mono cables coming out of your tapping instrument?

Or is it better to have a stereo outjack on the instrument, from which come two mono cables?

It's not exactly a *burning* question, but it is an interesting question. And if we knew the answer, maybe it would help manufacturers tend to provide what players prefer.

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So in an effort find out what's the most preferred cables arrangement, I've prepared a mongo-short survey.

Please share your opinion. The world needs your input!

It takes approximately 8 to 14 seconds.

Please participate in the Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d).

With your help, we will learn the answer to this question.

The world will be a better place.

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
In another thread, the question came up ...

Is it better to have two mono cables coming out of your tapping instrument?

Or is it better to have a stereo outjack on the instrument, from which come two mono cables?

It's not exactly a *burning* question, but it is an interesting question. And if we knew the answer, maybe it would help manufacturers tend to provide what players prefer.

----

So in an effort find out what's the most preferred cables arrangement, I've prepared a mongo-short survey.

Please share your opinion. The world needs your input!

It takes approximately 8 to 14 seconds.

Please participate in the Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d).

With your help, we will learn the answer to this question.

The world will be a better place
Hi Traktor,

This forum has been so moribund lately. Great to see you putting it to good use. I'd like to know if people have any strong opinions about this, too.

I must say that I think your questions are worded poorly and are misleading (perhaps one of your previous unknown identities was as a political pollster....)

It would more accurately reflect the current reality to ask people if they liked using an "insert-style" cable rather than what you wrote, which sounds like they have to use two cables if they have a stereo jack, which they don't.

Keeping track of activity on the forum in general while this goes on (in case any of you are wondering, that's the whole reason I'm here, right Trak?)

[traktor]

While I'm sure you know your nomencleture, I didn't know that kind of cable -- which we've been supplying with standard Megatars for quite a few years -- should properly be called an 'insert-cable'. It's always been called, by ourselves, and I think by Stick Enterprises, as a 'stereo output cable.' Maybe I should have called it that, but it doesn't seem very descriptive.

I think people will understand it. I certainly hope so. I just described it the way you'd build one. Take a stereo jack, wire two mono cords to it, and terminate these two cords with mono plugs.

I'll extract the answers and publish them, of course. Greg, why don't you post this link over at Stickwire as well, and it will greatly boost our response, and give you more Stick player respondees, which would be valuable.

The link to the survey is -- http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d

And while I don't know exactly why you're here, Greg, if I was guessing, I'd guess that you're the Public Relations guy for Stick Enterprises, and so you want to help answer questions that might arise about Stick brand instruments, and like any musician you also have a generous tendency to share what you have learned about playing music.

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
While I'm sure you know your nomencleture, I didn't know that kind of cable -- which we've been supplying with standard Megatars for quite a few years -- should properly be called an 'insert-cable'.

I think people will understand it. I certainly hope so. I just described it the way you'd build one. Take a stereo jack, wire two mono cords to it, and terminate these two cords with mono plugs.

I'll extract the answers and publish them, of course. Greg, why don't you post this link over at Stickwire as well, and it will greatly boost our response, and give you more Stick player responses.

The link to the survey is -- http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d

And while I don't know exactly why you're here, Greg, if I was guessing, I'd guess that you're the Public Relations guy for Stick Enterprises, and so you want to help answer questions that might arise about Stick brand instruments, and like any musician you also have a generous tendency to share what you have learned about playing music.

Most insert cables people make these days have a single cable that splits into two leads. It keeps things from getting too tangled up. A lot of them have a common shield and two conductors, but some are zip cable style with an independent shield for each conductor. The kind you are talking about are very old school.

And I'm here for the entertainment value, and to correct your mistakes:)

Since those interested in the Stick might be drawn here by Googling Chapman Stick (though not Megatar or Warr Guitar, curiously enough....) I'm also here to make sure that what is written about The Stick (including cables) is factually correct, or indeed, corrected..

[traktor]

Well, that's interesting.

Back in the days when I bought and sold used Stick instruments, there were some cables built like you describe that came in with real old Sticks, but then for some years, new Sticks were going out with HOSA stereo cables. The kind you are describing here as 'old school.'

So it sounds like you have some better cables these days. Glad to hear it. And I apologize if I gave anybody the wrong impression, through not knowing you'd changed the cables you send out.

Say, send me one of those cables. I'd like to check it out.

And ... have you taken the survey?

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
Well, that's interesting.

Back in the days when I bought and sold used Stick instruments, there were some cables built like you describe that came in with real old Sticks, but then for some years, new Sticks were going out with HOSA stereo cables. The kind you are describing here as 'old school.'

So it sounds like you have some better cables these days. Glad to hear it. And I apologize if I gave anybody the wrong impression, through not knowing you'd changed the cables you send out.

Say, send me one of those cables. I'd like to check it out.
Sorry, Trak. Perhaps you're just confused again. The HOSA cables SE used until a few years ago were molded insert-style cables like the one shown below.

I couldn't say whether any cable you received when you bought an instrument from someone was an SE cable or not. I certainly bought a couple of my own cables early on for my used Stick.

If memory serves the few fellows I met who got instruments from you didn't always get all the tools and cables with the instrument, so it's hard to say.

But it was a long time ago. Shall we stick to the present?

Let me clarify for you....

Insert cable:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--HOSSTP20

The "old school" style cables are like this:

"y" cable
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MONMSLSRM

There's nothing functionally wrong with them, I just prefer having as much of the cable as possible be run together.

Some insert cables are "directional" meaning that the signal is designed to go from one mono lead into the insert jack and then out again.

These wouldn't be the best choice. AFAIK Monster is one of the only companies that sells cables that have a directional specification.

This is what SE uses today:

http://www.stick.com/accessories/cables/

[PhoBucket]

Sorry for being the non-electrician here, but just to clarify, the difference between the "insert" stereo cable and the "Y" stereo cable is that in the insert cable, the two paths run together in a single shield before splitting somewhere down the line, and in a "Y" cable, the cords split to separately shielded paths at or near the jack?

[traktor]

Originally posted by tapmeister
Sorry, Trak. Perhaps you're just confused again. The HOSA cables SE used until a few years ago were molded insert-style cables like the one shown below.

Insert cable:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--HOSSTP20Actually, that is the cable I was referring to. It seems we're just quibbling over words. I'm not trying to make you wrong. We were both talking about the HOSA style cable.

I couldn't say whether any cable you received when you bought an instrument from someone was an SE cable or not. I certainly bought a couple of my own cables early on for my used Stick.That's true, but when I bought one new from SE it had the same HOSA cable.

If memory serves the few fellows I met who got instruments from you didn't always get all the tools and cables with the instrument, so it's hard to say.Baloney. Pardon my French. Perhaps you, too, are growing older, and perhaps memory doesn't serve.

The rest of the post is quite interesting. And those cables that ya'll have just look swell.

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On another subject, while tuning up an instrument in the other room, I thought how to edit the survey so as to accomodate the 'single cable out of the Stick' as you describe it. Thanks for helping to improve the survey.

PS: Did you take the survey?

It's here: The Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d)

[tapmeister]

okay, you guys are right. what was I thinking? not worth it. sorry.

Traktor, my "baloney" is nothing of the kind, as we both know.

have a nice survey.

[TheEclectic]

What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

In my household they go to time-out.

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by PhoBucket
Sorry for being the non-electrician here, but just to clarify, the difference between the "insert" stereo cable and the "Y" stereo cable is that in the insert cable, the two paths run together in a single shield before splitting somewhere down the line, and in a "Y" cable, the cords split to separately shielded paths at or near the jack?
It doesn't always have to be that the shield is shared (the HOSA cable is actually a zip style cable with a separate shield around each conductor). The main difference between the cables I showed (apart from one having a molded plug and one an assembled plug), is that on the "insert" cable there is some length where the cable is a "single cable," and then it splits apart.

This keeps things from getting tangled up, on the floor in front of you, and especially on a mixing console where using cables that immediately split off from the jack can cause quite a rat's nest.

On an instrument, using an insert style cable means that a single lead is all you need to plug and unplug, which can be nice on a dark stage.

Of course, you do need a special cable. So if there's a downside, then that's the only one I can think of.

It's a moot point on The Stick. The pickup is designed to have one output jack, and there really isn't room or need for another (unless you have a MIDI pickup as well).

Now here's the fun part. There are probably a lot of people who would call the "Y" cable an "insert" cable just the same, so when you're looking for a cable, make sure it has some length of common cabling before it splits, so you only have one lead on the floor around you.

[Nightmare Music]

Originally posted by TheEclectic
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

In my household they go to time-out.

my god! my sentiments exactly, except in my childless, pet filled household, i usually have to rub someones nose in it... and i'm sure neither Dread Pirate Topaz or Greg would tolerate, or appreciate that one bit

[traktor]

Originally posted by tapmeister
... Traktor, my "baloney" is nothing of the kind ... Well, perhaps salami. Maybe even premium roast beef. USDA Choice!

But you're right. It's not worth a squabble.

Meanwhile, the survey surges forward. I urge you all to contribute your opinion to the survey. It *would* be interesting to know what people's opinions are in the matter of cables. I don't have a strong opinion myself, but Greg and others have raised some interesting points.

What do *you* think?

The survey (which is anonymous) is here --

Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d)

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
quote:
Originally posted by tapmeister
... Traktor, my "baloney" is nothing of the kind ...
Well, perhaps salami. Maybe even premium roast beef. USDA Choice!

And my salami is none of your concern....

[jamsire]

Originally posted by tapmeister
And my salami is none of your concern....

Ok - that was funny.

[Nightmare Music]

Originally posted by tapmeister
And my salami is none of your concern....

Fozzy Says

Wakka wakka

[K Rex]

I don't know much about no salami, but I DO have a great, big Phalanx. I'm transcribing some Meatloaf on it in my spare time.

What sort of entertainment value does this have for anyone? Could this thread possibly be more retarded than it is right now?

Wait a minute... don't answer that...

Kev

[tapmeister]

Traktor,

on your Magatar cable survey you have one of the instrument options as

"Koyabu Touch-Board"

Since I don't believe Mr. Koyabu has ever called his instrument a Touch-Board, and Emmett has Touchboard registered as a trademark in good standing since 1991, I have to wonder why you did this...

Please correct that error on your survey.

[AlanKroeger]

Oh my the war of words continues no wonder this forum is so quiet.

:(

[secondfiddle]

Like sands through the hourglass.

[traktor]

Originally posted by tapmeister
Traktor,

on your Magatar cable survey you have one of the instrument options as

"Koyabu Touch-Board"

Since I don't believe Mr. Koyabu has ever called his instrument a Touch-Board, and Emmett has Touchboard registered as a trademark in good standing since 1991, I have to wonder why you did this...

Please correct that error on your survey. Jeez, you're right.

Sorry. Just a typo. Nothing sinister intended. Will fix immediately.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
Jeez, you're right.

Sorry. Just a typo. Nothing sinister intended. Will fix immediately.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Happy to help, and thanks for taking care of it.

[K Rex]

And so it goes.

I can't recall the year I became a member of this forum, but it's been a while now since my first post. I actually had to reregister a couple of years ago, so the number of posts below my avatar do not reflect the extent of my participation on this forum.

I've been mediating, griping, lurking, rebuking, explaining, etc. etc. etc. on this forum for two years now, but the hard truth is that I haven't seen anything substantial posted here since Brenda schooled our asses with her touch-guitar/touch-thingy/fingerstyle instrument/whatever construction.

How many times must we endure this puerile sniping and nitpicking? How long will Tappistry's members patiently wait for substance while the so-called "heavyweights" duke it out for the supremacy of the products they manufacture?

Greg, I think perhaps the best way to help acheive the "peace" that we reached after the LAST time we all duked it out (you know, the one that prompted Emmet to make a statement) is for you to terminate your membership here once and for all. It's not that you don't make some good points (you do), it's not that your technical knowledge isn't relevant (it is), it's not even that I don't like you (I do). I simply feel like your presence here is a constant disruption, a pervasive political influence on a forum full of different interests and persuasions.

It isn't difficult to theorize why you would remain (linger) here on a forum you have characterized as "moribund", and I've done so several times in the past. Why would one who feels this forum is on the verge of becoming obsolete participate due to the "entertainment value" attendant thereto? It doesn't make sense; that is, not unless you are charged with the task of sabotaging this forum and helping to engineer its degeneration. Perhaps this is why Emmet chose to thank you in the past for "staying with these issues".

Perhaps I am wrong about you or the tasks with which you are charged, and I hope that I am. Regardless, I think we'd be better off interacting with the various other veteran stick players who post regularly in an unpolitical and uninflammatory manner... a real bummer that I even have to say it, and perhaps you won't agree to it, anyway. But it just might allow Traktor to hang himself the next time he accidentally commits the sin of saying things like "touchboard".

Once again, I think it might be a good idea to start some of these issues over on stickwire/stickist and see just how their members like being subjected to this sort of meaningless pap. If posts of this sort are good enough for this forum, why not share them with the larger tapping community?

Anyone game? How about you, Emmet?

Kevin

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by K Rex
And so it goes.

I can't recall the year I became a member of this forum, but it's been a while now since my first post. I actually had to reregister a couple of years ago, so the number of posts below my avatar do not reflect the extent of my participation on this forum.

I've been mediating, griping, lurking, rebuking, explaining, etc. etc. etc. on this forum for two years now, but the hard truth is that I haven't seen anything substantial posted here since Brenda schooled our asses with her touch-guitar/touch-thingy/fingerstyle instrument/whatever construction.

How many times must we endure this puerile sniping and nitpicking? How long will Tappistry's members patiently wait for substance while the so-called "heavyweights" duke it out for the supremacy of the products they manufacture?

Greg, I think perhaps the best way to help acheive the "peace" that we reached after the LAST time we all duked it out (you know, the one that prompted Emmet to make a statement) is for you to terminate your membership here once and for all. It's not that you don't make some good points (you do), it's not that your technical knowledge isn't relevant (it is), it's not even that I don't like you (I do). I simply feel like your presence here is a constant disruption, a pervasive political influence on a forum full of different interests and persuasions.

It isn't difficult to theorize why you would remain (linger) here on a forum you have characterized as "moribund", and I've done so several times in the past. Why would one who feels this forum is on the verge of becoming obsolete participate due to the "entertainment value" attendant thereto? It doesn't make sense; that is, not unless you are charged with the task of sabotaging this forum and helping to engineer its degeneration. Perhaps this is why Emmet chose to thank you in the past for "staying with these issues".

Perhaps I am wrong about you or the tasks with which you are charged, and I hope that I am. Regardless, I think we'd be better off interacting with the various other veteran stick players who post regularly in an unpolitical and uninflammatory manner... a real bummer that I even have to say it, and perhaps you won't agree to it, anyway. But it just might allow Traktor to hang himself the next time he accidentally commits the sin of saying things like "touchboard".

Once again, I think it might be a good idea to start some of these issues over on stickwire/stickist and see just how their members like being subjected to this sort of meaningless pap. If posts of this sort are good enough for this forum, why not share them with the larger tapping community?

Anyone game? How about you, Emmet?

Kevin
Okay,

I've only been a member of this forum since early 2007, so I don't think you can blame me for the lack of substance you see.

Traktor, will you please disable my membership the way you did for Tapredux. I've had enough.

I won't sign up again as long as you don't pay for google ads for Chapman Stick to draw people here. Why not other brands? Marketing.

This forum is no forum. It's just a marketing tool. If it was a forum, you wouldn't object so strenuously to a little give and take. It's really just cheerleaders and yes-men for the most part.

I want to apologize to one person. Sorry to Ernie, you have my total respect. you are the man. you are one of the only really genuine fans of the music here. With few exceptions everyone else just seems to have something to sell or wants to take sides.

Hats off to you, my friend.

[K Rex]

Read my post, Greg. I'm waiting for substance. Your sniping fills me with the desire to say something to make it stop. And Jim Wright is correct: it is sniping, and I cannot accurately call it anything else.

Waiting... waiting... waiting...

Also, I post every other day.

Waiting... waiting... waiting...

I actually value practicing my instrument more than posting.

Waiting,

Kev

[K Rex]

Greg, I see you've removed your last post. Thanks for that, because it didn't make much sense in the grand scheme of things.

Looking forward to some real peace here on this forum, if not between manufacturers. I think all will agree this is good.

No hard feelings. As a token of friendship, I won't snipe on Stickist.

Kev

[K Rex]

If Traktor is violating some sort of trademark or other law/rule, he should stop, of course. Otherwise, I believe his desire to draw people here is justifiable, just as is your desire to act as the PR guy for Stick enterprises.

This forum encourages folks to buy Tapping instruments, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to register.

K

[K Rex]

Apparently not the forum for you, in any case. Yes, we get it. It's OK for everyone to draw customers any way they see fit, but only if they aren't competitors of Stick Enterprises.

This forum will flourish in the absence of politics.

Ciao, Greg.

K

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by K Rex
If Traktor is violating some sort of trademark or other law/rule, he should stop, of course. Otherwise, I believe his desire to draw people here is justifiable, just as is your desire to act as the PR guy for Stick enterprises.

This forum encourages folks to buy Tapping instruments, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to register.

K
Kevin, It's perfectly legal to lie to your spouse, too. A real community can only be built on trust and mutual respect. I would have more respect for this community if it were not based on opposition, exploitation and double standards.

And it would have a lot more substance, too.

anytime, Trak.

[secondfiddle]

I believe 99% of the members are here because they have a deep love for music and could care less who plays what instrument. This is also a great forum for information on building tapping instruments and how others have went to great lenghts creating there own. To those about to tap, I salute you.

[K Rex]

Greg,

You've edited your last post so many times now that I've lost count. Why not simply decide what it is you want to say before you post? That way, the integrity of the thread is maintained. We should all strive for integrity, yes?

I won't sign up again as long as you don't pay for google ads for Chapman Stick to draw people here.

Frankly, you've threatened to leave this forum more times than I have fingers, but not before your now-familiar catch-phrase "THIS FORUM SUCKS!!" This has become old, and if you feel that I'm only making long posts when there is a controversy, you are right. You'll have to get used to it if you decide to stay, as I intend to continue calling your ass onto the carpet whenever you begin sniping at Traktor or anyone else here on Tappistry. It would be nice, in the interest of PEACE, if you would terminate your membership ONCE AND FOR ALL, irrespective of any competitor's marketing strategy.

I want to apologize to one person. Sorry to Ernie, you have my total respect. you are the man. you are one of the only really genuine fans of the music here. With few exceptions everyone else just seems to have something to sell or wants to take sides.

This is also BS. You should apologize to everyone here, not just the one guy who showed deference to the Stick at the last seminar in New York. Ernie is THE MAN, and he doesn't feel any differently toward your instrument than most folks on this forum. We all presently own or have owned one, and you know it.

If this forum sucks, go away and let it suck. I, for one, thought you should have just taken Traktor's survey and not sniped at him. That sucks worst of all.

Kev

[PhoBucket]

Originally posted by tapmeister
I would have more respect for this community if it were not based on opposition, exploitation and double standards.


I completely disagree with your assessment. It's clear how you feel about this forum, and participation is not required.

[K Rex]

Greg,

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for your respect. Just because you're a politician doesn't mean we have to be politicians. I kick ass on my instrument, and it would be hard for you to say that I don't. I don't need you to vocalize your respect.

I don't lie to my spouse, and I also refrain from picking fights on the internet as well, but I do like to point out injustice when I see it which is why I'd like to see your name disappear from this forum. We're all sick of it.

Every time this happens you cry foul, as if we're forcing you to be here. We aren't.

It's time for you to live up to your words and make peace.

Kev

[traktor]

Well, rats!

My Survey thread got hijacked.

I was just curious to know what cables people would prefer.
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Now, since I blundered and typed 'Touch-Board' instead of 'Board', I did fix it, immediately as soon as I saw this post and realized I'd made a typo. I have no desire to tread on any trademark's toes, just as I don't want ours misused. And it's fine with me if Greg or anybody else points it out.
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Some of the posts from K.Rex seem peculiar, and so I'm guessing that Greg had some replies in there which he has deleted. OK, that's fine as well.

Although Greg gets up my nose, and although I think he's sometimes rude when tact would be better, in my personal opinion, he's welcome here.

The point is that this forum is for any tapping musician of any persuasion. This forum is not a one-brand forum where we all say, 'Aren't we all just swell?'

So the fact is -- there will be some dissention.

The price of democracy is letting just any old yokel vote.

The price of free speech is letting the oafs have a say.

Too darn bad. That's how it is.

Yeah, sometimes I think Greg is sniping. So what?
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So, Greg, I'd be grateful if you could be more polite, both to me personally, and also to these fine folks who have an active and continually-growing forum. It doesn't matter whether you choose to announce it as moribund, or if you choose to call it a turnip. It is what it is, and both the membership and the activity have been growing for a long time. Most likely it will continue to grow.

But the fact is, K-Rex, Greg is still welcome to post here, even if he gets up my nose, or your nose, though when Greg is more courteous, it seems to me he gets better reception.

That's just what it takes to have a forum open to all.

Even the people that we dislike get to participate. As in the past, the only things that are unacceptable are flaming, trolling, cursing, and hijacking threads.

If we're to have peace, the fact is, everybody will just have to act peaceful. And while I cannot make Greg be peaceful, I can make me be peaceful. And while Greg cannot make K.Rex be peaceful, Greg can make himself be peaceful.

So, folks, please do.
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Now, may we please take this thread back to where it was 'spozed to be?

It's about finding out what people's preferences are regarding output cables.

That's not so diabolical, is it?

The results will be published later. (I'll put it in the MegaTapper Newsletter, and some other places, as the more responses we get the more meaningful the results.)

And now back to our regularly-scheduled program ...

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
Well, rats!

My Survey thread got hijacked.

I was just curious to know what cables people would prefer.
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Now, since I blundered and typed 'Touch-Board' instead of 'Board', I did fix it, immediately as soon as I saw this post and realized I'd made a typo. I have no desire to tread on any trademark's toes, just as I don't want ours misused. And it's fine with me if Greg or anybody else points it out.
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Some of the posts from K.Rex seem peculiar, and so I'm guessing that Greg had some replies in there which he has deleted. OK, that's fine as well.

Although Greg gets up my nose, and although I think he's sometimes rude when tact would be better, in my personal opinion, he's welcome here.

The point is that this forum is for any tapping musician of any persuasion. This forum is not a one-brand forum where we all say, 'Aren't we all just swell?'

So the fact is -- there will be some dissention.

The price of democracy is letting just any old yokel vote.

The price of free speech is letting the oafs have a say.

Too darn bad. That's how it is.

Yeah, sometimes I think Greg is sniping. So what?
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So, Greg, I'd be grateful if you could be more polite, both to me personally, and also to these fine folks who have an active and continually-growing forum. It doesn't matter whether you choose to announce it as moribund, or if you choose to call it a turnip. It is what it is, and both the membership and the activity have been growing for a long time. Most likely it will continue to grow.

But the fact is, K-Rex, Greg is still welcome to post here, even if he gets up my nose, or your nose, though when Greg is more courteous, it seems to me he gets better reception.

That's just what it takes to have a forum open to all.

Even the people that we dislike get to participate. As in the past, the only things that are unacceptable are flaming, trolling, cursing, and hijacking threads.

If we're to have peace, the fact is, everybody will just have to act peaceful. And while I cannot make Greg be peaceful, I can make me be peaceful. And while Greg cannot make K.Rex be peaceful, Greg can make himself be peaceful.

So, folks, please do.
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Now, may we please take this thread back to where it was 'spozed to be?

It's about finding out what people's preferences are regarding output cables.

That's not so diabolical, is it?

The results will be published later. (I'll put it in the MegaTapper Newsletter, and some other places, as the more responses we get the more meaningful the results.)

And now back to our regularly-scheduled program ...

Please honor my request and disable this account. I don't really have any more points to make here.

[traktor]

For those who may have forgotten, while up to their knees in alligators, that the original plan was to drain the swamp ... it would be great to know people's opinions about the best cables arrangement.

Therefore I've made a little survey. I've made it as neutral as I can, though I don't actually think this is a subject of great debate. It's not a critical matter, though speaking personally, I would like to know what people would prefer.

This would be handy information for all of us.

The survey is online now, and I would respectfully ask you to take the survey. The results will be published after we've gathered a reasonable number of responses.

Therefore, please take the Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d)

Thanks.

-- Traktor

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
For those who may have forgotten, while up to their knees in alligators, that the original plan was to drain the swamp ... it would be great to know people's opinions about the best cables arrangement.

Therefore I've made a little survey. I've made it as neutral as I can, though I don't actually think this is a subject of great debate. It's not a critical matter, though speaking personally, I would like to know what people would prefer.

This would be handy information for all of us.

The survey is online now, and I would respectfully ask you to take the survey. The results will be published after we've gathered a reasonable number of responses.

Therefore, please take the Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s_thankyou.aspx?sm=Y6k7L9OvhrgGjwz3k76dJV%2bQWjGQY amkwe2Bsonorzw%3d)

Thanks.

-- Traktor
Please honor my request and disable this account. and as a last helpful act I'll point out that the link you are posting it the wrong link.

Here's the right one:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d

[K Rex]

Sorry, Traktor. I apologize to everyone else as well. I simply cannot tolerate any further descents into childish sniping. I will join Jim Wright in his non-participation if this continues.

Your points are well-received, Traktor.

Please honor Greg's request. Drain the swamp.

k

[traktor]

Greg, are you saying that you can refrain from saying stuff only if your account is deleted?

That's silly. If you have no further points to make, then simply don't type on the keyboard.

I think I'll leave your account alone. I don't want to hear later that you were hounded away and your account closed because we didn't want to 'hear the truth' and so on and so forth. After all, this is not my first rodeo.

So I think I'll just leave your account alone.

If you don't wish to participate, then ... don't.

You have free will. You are a strong and powerful spiritual being. You have an important destiny. When I follow my heart and not my hot-headed urges, things work out for me. I'll bet it's the same for you.

So, come, go, it doesn't matter to me.

If you don't wish to participate, then it's in your power to do it that way. You don't need my help, and you don't need me to spend time working on fixing your account this way or that way.

If you don't wish to participate, then ... don't.
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Guys, please. Leave it alone.

This is a thread about people's preferences in output cables. This is not the middle east. It's about output cables. A simple thing.

Greg, thanks for the tip. I've fixed the link.

To take the survey and let the world know what you prefer, please step right up and enter your opinion in the
Output Cable Preference Survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PJGmuq_2fJGIgu9llWxQwMyQ_3d_3d).

I figure that, if I just focus, we can find out about these output cables.

[jamsire]

What going on?

The way I see it, you leave people you don't want to date anymore - no matter what they say!

I think we should take Traktor's Survey.

Maybe we can learn something.

Guys, please love music!!!

Don't hate on cables!!!

I remain!

[K Rex]

Trak, fair enough.

Greg, behave or don't post.

Guys, sorry.

Ernie, the man.

Cables, good. One, two, doesn't matter as long as there's no crosstalk.

K Rex

[AlanKroeger]

Yeah Greg let's have nice conversations I still haven't gotten around to picking your brains yet. I know there is plenty of worthwhile information I can get from you.
Yup still just tapping the guitar but it might be that, that is the best avenue for me. Still plenty of knowledge I can gain from people working with dedicated tapping instruments :)

[secondfiddle]

What happened to the player I know as Greg Howard. This is beneath you. Create...

[tapmeister]

Originally posted by traktor
Greg, are you saying that you can refrain from saying stuff only if your account is deleted?

That's silly. If you have no further points to make, then simply don't type on the keyboard.

I think I'll leave your account alone. I don't want to hear later that you were hounded away and your account closed because we didn't want to 'hear the truth' and so on and so forth. After all, this is not my first rodeo.

So I think I'll just leave your account alone.

If you don't wish to participate, then ... don't.

You have free will. You are a strong and powerful spiritual being. You have an important destiny. When I follow my heart and not my hot-headed urges, things work out for me. I'll bet it's the same for you.

So, come, go, it doesn't matter to me.

If you don't wish to participate, then it's in your power to do it that way. You don't need my help, and you don't need me to spend time working on fixing your account this way or that way.

If you don't wish to participate, then ... don't.
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Respectfully, Traktor, you're in no danger of that. I recognize that you're not asking me to leave. I just don't want to participate anymore, nor have my account on the membership list.

Once you deactivate my account I have no way to edit or delete my posts. And you are clearly not trying to cut me off like you did last time.

I'd rather have the account disabled.

I participate on other online forums. If some of you really want to pick my brain, I'll be there.

I haven't changed, I'm still the same old firey partisan I always was, and, unlike some people I won't pretend to be anything else.

[K Rex]

I'm glad you finally acknowledge yourself as partisan. I can't say the same about myself, having owned both Warr and Stick instruments.

If I catch Traktor saying something controversial, I'll call him on it. Or, if I suspect he's being sneaky in some other way, I'll send him a private email telling him so like I did a few months back. Fortunately, I was proven wrong. Right, Trak?

This isn't about being partisan. This WAS about cables. That is until the hit machine was filled with ammo.

See ya,

Kev

[secondfiddle]

Why should I stand up to anyone Greg? The Instruments speak for themselves and opinions are just that. I have played the best IMHO and right now I am playing the Box guitar instead of the Stick just to learn new idea's. Love them both and has a new Stick on order

[AlanKroeger]

I want one of each but I am out of room now with five guitars and four violins. I should probably shed at least three violins since violin isn't working out. I should probably try to find a home for at least one of the guitars. Yeah maybe I will post something in the swap area for a 12 string and ebay out my violins after I attend to a few details.
I sold off five guitars about two years back and that is what is left over now I almost regret it and it is two years later :D
But alas I can't keep them all, just not enough room :D

Hey Traktor you want me to post in your survey even though I don't have a dedicated tapper or a stereo instrument?

I personally don't think I would want two cables hanging off an instrument just more opportunities to trip over more cables. If I had to do it myself I would just 'Y' the two outputs into a single cable and break them out downstream when going to the effects...

[tapmeister]

but I just want to have my account terminated.

If that's too much to ask, then this whole forum is weider than even I imagined.

[traktor]

Hello, Greg,


Well the last time, as you recall, you had deleted all your threads, some of which were quite good, and you had deleted all your posts, which made some of other folks' discussions turn into gibberish. Not to be impolite, but I think it's fair to say you made a mess.

And therefore, deleting your username wouldn't have made any big difference. (But didn't I just change your passcode, trying to get you to agree to behave?)

At any rate, if I delete your username, then all of the discussions that you have contributed, are changed from tapmeister to guest, and that would also be incomprehensible.

Or ... I work on it ... and delete all your threads and posts (I think), and then delete the user.

But do I wish to spend my afternoon doing admin on your behalf just because you're having a little fit? And do I want to delete some perfectly useful threads and turn other posts into incomprehensible gibberish?

Well, actually, damaging this forum just because you want it this way and not that way is just not something I really want to spend my time upon.

I've done the next best thing and changed your passcode, so that you won't be tempted. But if you ever want it changed back, however, let me know and I'll be happy to oblige.

As you will recall, you've never put your real name on your profile, so the Greg Howard name does not appear.

You will not need to sneak back under a disguised name, like last time. I'll just open it up if you want me to do so. After all, you're the public relations director for Stick Enterprises and I'm happy to provide access for you, my valued competitor, whenever you wish.

I'm sure you feel the same and would do the same for me.


-- Traktor, site engineer for Tappistry.Org