wikipedia is now complete

[GaryOpenhill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatar

The void in wikipedia is now filled.

[jamsire]

Well done.
:)

[rjgoos]

A nice, positive article, Gary. Personally, I'm waiting for Wikipedia to give a recipe for the "Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster" or Romulan ale.


Jay

[GaryOpenhill]

No no, Traktor set it up, according to the history file, i just came over it.

[traktor]

Alas, Gary,

Your post on 12/3, seems to have been followed on 12/4 by the unannounced and immediate deletion of the Megatar listing in Wikipedia, by an admin who says his name is 'Mike Rosoft.' (Microsoft, get it?)

I looked briefly in the wikipedia pages about deletion, and it appears that our listing was in strict accordance with their rules, and doesn't seem to qualify for immediate deletion; but it was deleted all the same.

It also appears that the way deletion comes about is somebody sends in a note to the admins that such-and-such a listing is evil, and then the admin looks and if it looks evil according to the criteria he deletes it.

Perhaps somebody didn't like Megatar being listed there. Without being presumptuous, this seems overall a loss to the tapping community, for my listing about Megatar actually had references to other tapping instruments in it.

Of course, somebody could have edited it before the admin looked at it, and at that moment perhaps it was an advertisement for Brylcream Hair Dressing.

But the good news is that the Stick and Warr Guitar listings are still up, and that's a good thing.

[traktor]

And, it appears that then on 12/5, the wikipedia listing for 'touchstyle' was also deleted as well.

And on 12/13, the listing for 'tapping' had the word 'touchstyle' removed by user 'tapredux', who if memory serves me correctly is Mr. Greg Howard.

As we learned on April 16th of this year (http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0604&L=STICKWIRE-L&D=0&P=27053) Greg Howard works for Stick Enterprises as their full-time "Director of Public Relations and Special Projects".

Perhaps it is some kind of Special Project.

[GaryOpenhill]

Can't you repost the article, traktor?

Actually, if it happens again, i guess the only way to go about this is to become an admin and reverse it whenever another deletes the page.

[traktor]

Hello, Gary,

Re-posting is pretty much a certain way to get wikipedia folks real annoyed. If you think it through, it will be clear why they wouldn't want to be ping-ponged like that.

There is a procedure for requesting reversal, but I owe some folks some instruments and prefer to continue working on production so as to meet those agreements. For that reason, I'll not be working on attempting to restore what has been destroyed at this time.

Who even knows if wikipedia really matters? I *think* it would be a good idea to have entries in wikipedia telling people what 'touchstyle' is, and telling people that such a thing as the Megatar instrument does exist. But maybe that's just my opinion; maybe only what happens in history will count. Often that's the case.

Perhaps there are folks out there who feel it should be their job to determine what other people are allowed to see. But I don't feel that it is my job.

If anyone here is really knowledgeable about wikipedia and thinks this is an error that should be remedied, and knows how to have it repaired, then I would be grateful to have it fixed, of course.

If not, well ... win some, lose some.

I'm grateful for the time that it was there for a while -- it was nice to see it -- and I'm grateful that listings for the other instruments and for 'tapping' are still there.

[Jersey Ray]

Jay,

that's actually a Stick(r) brand, fretboard tapping instrument. You want to make sure you have your P's and Q's straight on this matter!

Ray

[traktor]

Gentlemen, gentlemen ...

Here we are in the good old Christmas season. Not the time to squabble, actually.

All my life I found it difficult to understand that business about 'Turning the other cheek,' because it would seem like sometimes, for your survival and that of your family, one should kill the other guy.

However, testosterone and male pride aside, that actually only applies in cases where there is a *scarcity*. For example, a scarcity of spaces in the lifeboat. A desert island with food for only a few. The middle of a war or the middle of a barbarism such as certain inner cities where the other guy is not actually 'civilized' as we know it and he will happily kill you for sneakers or for his God.

And ... how often do we actually experience *scarcity* like that?

Hardly ever.

Only a mindset that is perceiving *scarcity* all around can needlessly attack others for some such small imagined affront. Only a vision of *scarcity* provokes fighting over scraps. Only a belief that we don't have enough, and can't get enough, and maybe that we don't deserve enough.

But "scarcity" is not an accurate description of the universe. The universe is vast and abundant.

For "customers" to buy tapping instruments, we have most of the available world. This is a vast and overwhelming *abundance*! If those customers just randomly bought brands of tapping instruments, and if there were 1000 times as many manufacturers of tapping instruments, then every tapping manufacturer would be as wealthy as any Potentate of Old. It staggers the mind to try to imagine. And that's how many "customers" are out there. Vast abundance beyond reckoning.

And for "honor and respect" for innovations made to the practice of tapping, and for music made by tapping, and for engineering of tapping instruments, there is no end to the honor and respect available in the world. You could have hundreds of thousands of manufacturers, inventors of tapping methods, and tapping recording artists and each and every one of them could have endless and unlimited honor and respect from the world. There is no end to the supply of honor and respect. Vast abundance beyond reckoning.

And for "credit for who held his fingers this way or that way" ... you know, it deserves plenty of honor and respect, because it was amazingly useful, but it's just a drop in the bucket in the whole wide world, and in what can come to be in the tapping/touch-style world.

And words to describe the music and the technique, we already have "Chapman Method" for parallel fingers and the lessons in Free Hands, and we have the "TouchGuitar Method" of Dave Bunker, and we have "two-handed tapping," and we have the "Touch Method" of Jimmie Webster, and we have "touchstyle" as a generic, meant from day one to encompass *all* methods of tapping, including Dave Bunker, Emmett Chapman, Jimmie Webster, Daniel Schell's "Mirrored Fourths and C-Dots" system, Eddy Van Halen, the specific methods given in my own books, Stanley Jordan, and any other tapping methods existing now or in the future. In other words, we have vast abundance beyond reckoning.

What we have is ... vast abundance beyond reckoning.

Squabbles? Bah! A flyspeck on a wall in the desert.

[Glenn Drakeley]

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE, AND BEST WISHES FOR 2007 !!!!!!:)

[jamsire]

I wish you a Meggy Christmas.

Meggytar Christmas to all!

bah humstick.

[Spaghetti]

would you find it offensive if I wished all of you a Krappy christmas? :D

Btw, Traktor, I've just attended a very instructive and mind-opening lesson with Daniel Schell and Oli Verscheuren, so I think you should add Daniel's "My space, my time" as a touchstyle method.

[GaryOpenhill]

Originally posted by Spaghetti
would you find it offensive if I wished all of you a Krappy christmas? :D


Not at all. It's pretty much bound to be a krappy christmas here. I got my 14 string from Kevin today. Boy, that thing is light! And the 8+6 bridge is way cool. So a MEGGY KRAPPY christmas to you all.

[traktor]

Originally posted by Spaghetti
... I've just attended a very instructive and mind-opening lesson with Daniel Schell and Oli Verscheuren, so I think you should add Daniel's "My space, my time" as a touchstyle method. ... But of course! Merely an oversight on my part. Daniel's innovations are quite brilliant, well-developed, and quite accessible. I've edited my post above to include the proper reference. Thanks for remindo me.

And a merry, Krappy, Solenish, Boxy, Warrlike, and even Sticky Christmas, Hanaka, Quanza, and Winter Solstice to all!

[rjgoos]

A Christmas gift from Fargo, ND (as you are all painfully aware, light depravation has unpredictable effects on us up here):

http://www.sundog.net/carolofthechins/flash/index.html

My favorite is "Angels We Have Heard On High".

[jamsire]

But equally frightening.

eeek?

[GaryOpenhill]

I still think the megatar should have an article in wikipedia. The person that deleted the article, Jan "mike rosoft" Heinz, sent a very nice email explaining why the article had to be rewritten some to be in wikipedia, but totally welcomed it and gave som advice for how to do it. I know traktor is busy, but it would be nice if someone with english as their first language would do it. I can forward the email from Heinz with the links to the wikipedia policies etc. He will resend the copy of the original article if it is neccesary.

(Traktor, hope i'm not pushing it too much here, or stepping into your territory!)

[traktor]

Originally posted by GaryOpenhill
(Traktor, hope i'm not pushing it too much here, or stepping into your territory!) Gary, I very much welcome your assistance. I very much welcome *all* assistance. I think it's a wonderful idea, and I do honestly believe that a good Megatar entry would work to further the advance of *all* tapping/touchstyle.

Also, it could easily turn out that the re-written entry might be better or more functional than the original one; in which case, the beneficent universe will have conspired to do us good.